"Darwin was the first to use data from nature to convince people that evolution is true, and his idea of natural selection was truly novel. It testifies to his genius that the concept of natural theology, accepted by most educated Westerners before 1859, was vanquished within only a few years by a single five-hundred-page book. On the Origin of Species turned the mysteries of life's diversity from mythology into genuine science." -- Jerry Coyne
Tuesday, January 4, 2011
Some comments I wrote at another blog to correct some misconceptions:
"Conversely, if the Biblical account is false then we are free from the moral strictures found therein and able to generate morality based on our own thoughts and wishes."
That's been working well for me. I don't believe in the Bible but for some reason I still get great pleasure from being a civilized person and from going out of my way to help other people, especially older people. And I do these things expecting no reward in a magical heaven, so my moral values are real.
I have some minor corrections for you if you don't mind.
You wrote "Then again, it is all but impossible to describe accurately what evolutionary hypothesis is since it is in a constant state of flux. Earth age fluctuates wildly, with 4.55 billion years or so being one common number, another being a few hundred million years either way from about 13.7 billion years."
13.7 billion years is the current estimate for the age of the entire universe. About 4.5 billion years is the estimate for the age of the earth. Notice that our planet is only about one third the age of the rest of the universe.
Evolution is no longer an hypothesis. It was fair to call it that in 1859. In 2011 it's a basic scientific fact.
Evolution has been defined accurately for a long time now. Why don't you use google and look it up.
Your "a constant state of flux" is an interesting choice of words. It's true that there will always be research opportunities in evolutionary biology (and that's a good thing), but the basic facts are settled, including for example the fact that we share an ancestor with chimps.
I may or may not have some more to say about your post, if I find any more misconceptions and if I have the time. Thanks for letting me write this comment here.
I don't want to annoy the heck out of you, so I'm going to at least try to make this my last post.
You talked about "belief in evolution". A biologist would never say that. Basic scientific facts like evolution are not beliefs. It's not necessary to "believe" in evolution or have faith that evolution is true, because evolution has tons of extremely powerful evidence, especially from molecular biology.
You falsely claimed that biologists say "there are so many proofs of evolution that we do not need to show any"
That's crazy because biologists love to talk about the evidence for evolution. They write entire books about it. I suggest, if you're going to be an evolution denier the rest of your life, you should at least try to understand what it is you're denying. There are countless books I could recommend, but if you only have time to read one book about evolution, I would recommend the easy to read and interesting "Why Evolution is True" by Jerry Coyne, published in 2009 so the information is current. Jerry Coyne is one of the best biologists in the world and he works at one of the best universities in the world, the University of Chicago. He describes countless different evidences for evolution. Please read it so that you can at least write knowledgeably about the subject.
Thanks again for letting me visit here. Best of luck to you sir.
"the idea that helping other people is good comes from where? What defines that as being good?"
From me. Ain't I a genuis? I figured out all by myself what's good. Guess what? It was a bit easier than what I used to do for living, which was develop and code custom made computer software for large corporations. After doing that stuff, figuring out that helping older people is a good thing to do, wasn't really all that difficult. Perhaps most five years could do it.
My point is, magic god fairies are not necessary for these things.
You also talked about your problems with evolution. I'm going to save myself some time -- I would like to ask you to simply see this post on my blog which explains some extremely powerful evidence for our evolutionary relationship with chimps. And when reading this stuff, please remember that this is only an extremely tiny fraction of the evidence for the established scientific fact that we share an ancient ape ancestor with modern chimp apes, and oh by the way humans are one of the modern ape species which means your dead Jeebus was an ape, which means Christians worship a dead ape, and ain't the religious implications interesting?
Here it is and I bet you just might learn something, especially if you check out the videos.
"Human, I did go to your site, but must admit about the 3rd paragraph was offensive enough and dismissive enough of anyone who does not agree with your views that I could not justify continuing."
A poor excuse to be willfully ignorant.
Also, since when did scientific facts become a person's "view"? Facts are not opinions. Facts are not viewpoints. Facts are facts.
A huge difference between your magical creationism and evolution by natural selection is this: evolution is a bloody fact, supported by massive evidence, and apparently, like virtually all other Christians (and Muslim terrorists), you are hell-bent to know absolutely nothing about that evidence.
Meanwhile magical creationism has what? Not one shred of evidence. How could it have any evidence? It's a religious myth. It's false. Completely wrong, and every single sane biologist in the world agrees with me. I got the scientists at Harvard, MIT, the University of Chicago, and every single other top university of the world completely on my side. On your side you have nothing but Bible colleges where students go if they want to be professional preachers, the most useless members of our society.
On my blog where I don't censor myself, I speak honestly. If my honesty is a big problem for you, that's fine. It's your life, not mine, which is being totally wasted on Dark Ages insanity. Not my problem. I try to help people like you, but it's almost always for nothing. Christianity is an incurable disease. Thanks to a lifetime of brainwashing and willful ignorance, there's nothing that can be done to save you people from your wasted lives.