When I was working in Chicago in 1970 the crippled Apollo 13 was returning to Earth. Nobody could be certain they would come back alive or come back at all. At lunch we went to a bar which had a TV. The TV was pointed at the clouds. We waited. It was quiet. It was intense. Then despite the odds the spacecraft appeared with its parachutes. Huge long applause from everyone in the bar and everyone in the world.
The movie explains the whole thing. This disaster was America's greatest mistake and greatest achievement.
Texas Christian University, aka TCU. Just from the name of the place it's obvious the students are fucking morons.
TCU had a survey of the students which asked if they accepted evolution or god-did-it evolution or magical creationism. A very small minority accepted evolution without sticking Jeebus in there. The vast majority of these idiots preferred magical creationism or magical theistic evolution.
What students wrote in the optional comments section of the survey:
Lots of extreme anti-science stupid. Some examples:
This fucktard for Jeebus wants to be a biologist even though he's a biology denier. The stupid, it burns.
“I am a junior biology major, and here is my thought: God and evolution do not inherently go against each other. We see evolution occurring everywhere, and it is well documented, but it is at the micro level, not the macro level. From my experience and education, I think that the vast complexity of even one cell would suggest a designer and God. However, Intelligent Design at the moment is not hard and fast science in the way that scientists describe science (experiments, reseach publishings in journals), so it might not have a place in the science classroom. But, the theory of macroevolution as hard and true fact does not have a place either. I think God gave us minds and reason to explore and investigate, and one of those applications is science, in order to discover God in a different way.”
This fucking asshole wrote "Darwin believed in God and worshiped Jesus." That's bullshit.
“Who so ever said that the bible (word for word) was absolute truth in every way? God didnt. The bible is compilled of differnet stories with different authors all the way through. Some of the stories are factual and some are just that...stories or summeries of a chain of events. Think about the people chosen to write these scriptures...how do you think they could describe evolution ..."God made man" what more do you need. Simple and to the point but doesnt mean that he couldnt have made other beings to form his perfect being that we are today. Oh and ps.....Darwin believed in God and worshiped Jesus. Read his book on evolution along with his personal memoirs and you will find out. He never discredited God, just took the formation of man to a scientific view that would make more sense in the scientific world.”
“God created everything. Period. No debate.”
“I wouldn't say religion and science agree with each other, but for the truly faithful they fit hand in hand.”
“A survey shouldn't have answers selected by default. Seems there ought to be a question on micro/macro evolution. Can't hardly answer #2 & #3 without defining evolution.”
“I a graduate, of Asia culture. I believe in Bible and the teachings in it.”
“I believe that God created evolution. It seems silly to think that God couldn't be behind something so beautifully complicated.”
“In regards to question #6, religion and science are tied together. I believe that there is an omnipotent god who got everything started, but then everything was allowed to evolve/become extinct at its own pace. Basically God said 'bang!' and it all began. Too bad some people cannot reconcile their faith with truth.”
“While I believe that evolution was guided by God, I do not believe that it is the school's place to teach that. Schools should be responsible for teaching evolution, which is backed by scientific evidence, and church should be responsible for teaching the rest.”
“I am a graduate student as well as a full-time employee of TCU. I couldn't answer some of the questions because there was another option I believed to be true, such as I know lots of scientists who are religious, so I would say religion and science can work together, but they don't always agree and don't always conflict. My answers to No. 2 and No. 3 appear to be contradictory, but I believe God created the world and everything in it, but I don't know exactly how He did it - I believe He could have done it in seven days exactly as the Bible reads, or He could have taken longer - a day for Him might not be a day for us, so it could have been an evolutionary process. Bottom line is: I believe God is all-powerful and behind all creation, however it occurred.”
“I believe all things started with creation, but it is possible evolution does exist in some creatures. I believe that humans are basically the same as when created.”
“It is a very interesting debate. I have tried to educate myself on both intelligent design and evolution. I do believe in evolution, but I think that it could possibly be guided. I have not really come to a clear cut decision for myself because I am constantly hearing evidence for both sides, and I have my own beliefs to content with. Maybe an higher power or God put the evolution proccess into place, or maybe evolution is just nature's way of shaping itself without anything or being helping it along? Even though I do not have a final belief or understanding yet, I do have an opinion.”
“Religion is about beliefs that cannont be proved. It's about having faith that there is something outside our understanding that cannot be explained by science. While I'm sure it is hard to teach Intelligent Design, I believe it would be good to point out that there are options besides evolution.”
“On question #5 about which one should be taught in schools, neither should be taught in schools. God did create humans as described in the Bible.”
“I think that evolution is the academic and true form of human development; however, every human needs something superior to believe in...so God (and its form of evolution) comes into play at a religious level, filling that need for a greater power, but evolution is the reasoning for human development.”
“I understand that the acutal thought process behind Evolution was that humans evolved but it still took a Creator. Even still, Evolution is not a fact. God said that things on earth are too complicated for the human mind and that our understanding will become clear when we get to heaven. There is no science out there that can prove evolution so I don't understand why that is what is taught in schools. This is one nation under GOD, not Darwin.”
“I believe that both intelligent design and evolution are a religion -- they must both be taken by faith. I also believe that intelligent design is much easier to believe than the idea that this incredibly complex and living universe "just happened" without a Master Mind behind it.”
“Intelligent design is more scientific than evolution, which requires more faith than any other scientific finding. Evolutionists are afraid of teaching anything alongside evolution because they know that parts of their "scientific" theory don't actually stand up to scrutiny.”
“As for what should be taught in schools, I think that any school's job is to educate its students, which would include making them aware of several different points of view about a discipline. Although a science class would probably choose to focus on the more measurable aspects of the debate surrounding our origins, if a school completely ignores the fact that there are different opinions about the issue, then the school is doing its students a disservice by not completely educating them.”
“I think both sides should be presented to young people in order to evoke free thinking and let them establish their own views with the knowledge of both sides.”
“This is a very interesting issue. I think that its important to teach both scientific views when there are conflicting views. If you limit the teaching to only one, then you are basically programming your youth to think one way instead of having their own opinions. Thats communism!”
“I believe in God and I believe the Bible; however I also beilieve that God may have used the creation story as a metaphoriacal narrative, and that it shouldn't be interpretated literally. I believe that God could have used evolution to create the world, if he wanted to. I also most certainly cannot believe that humans evolved purely by random occurance of genetic mutations and that there was no guiding power directing the process. This belief tells me that I was created by chance and therefore, what really is my purpose here? However by believing in evolution but by belieing that God guided the process, we are left knowing that we were created with a purpose.”
“I don't really think either should be taught in school as much as possible; both are a question of faith, not science. If there is no way around the subject in a lesson, the teacher should just say nobody knows for sure how it happened.”
“Great Questions. The ID-Evolution debate is interesting and important because it gets to the philosophy of science. Is evolution a scientific theory or the premise of philosophical materialism? If the latter, then it is non-empirical science because, a priori, it rules out all other interpretations. If we cannot discuss "design" in the classroom, then it will be discussed outside the classroom. I'm so glad our campus is discussing it.”
“Intelligent Design is not really the best answer to the creation vs. evolution problem. Creation science is. Check out www.icr.org for real scientific answers to the creation question. Intelligent Design is a cop-out choice.”
“Whatever happened, I know that God did it. And that's enough for me right now. Since God created the universe and everything in it, I can't believe that science and religion can contradict each other. I just don't know enough about it all right now to reconcile the differences, but I hope to learn more. Until then and even then, I will rely on faith that my Father knows what's going on, even though I don't.”
“I don't see how religion and science conflict. God is the creator of all that is, including science. I honestly don't think that my body, as complex and fascinating as it is, just formed from a primordial soup. My body - everyone's bodies - were intelligently designed.”
“I feel like both of these concepts should only be discussed in the school systems. I see nothing wrong with teaching both theories as long as they are taught as theory and not fact. Like it or not none of us really know how it all started. Education should be about providing information for students to make their own dicisions about. I feel this is a serious issue and I am strongly against teaching bible stories in school as fact and not theory which I feel is the aim of the individuals supporting intelligent design.”
“Many Christians believe that science and God cannot co-exist. I believe that in science one can plainly see God because he created it. I believe in some parts of evolutionary theory and other parts I have not come to a conclusion yet. I think it's admirable of the scientific community to seek out understanding of how things occured. God desires to reach the heart through the mind, and hopefully this will be accomplisehd in many intellects that have only head knowledge of "God" or "religion". What is of the utmost importance is that God made creation. It simply really doesn't matter how it happened! Romans 1.”
“There is sufficient scientific evidence to conclude that genetic traits evolve in a population and are passed from one generation to the next over time. This is science. However, the scientific evidence is insufficient to conclude that this process of evolution has altered any species to the extent of creating a new species. The notion that humans evolved from a single cell organism is not sufficiently supported with scientific evidence. Therefore we must choose to put our faith in our narrow understanding of science, or put our faith in intelligent design. I choose to put my faith in intelligent design.”
“If in discussing evolution we're talking about simple and minor change over time (after life began), that does of course occur. But in talking about the origin of life, it did not evolve but was divinely created. In relation to question 3, it is possible to believe in God and evolution, but it is not possible to have a TRUE understanding of God and the Bible and still believe in evolution. About question 5, if we want to teach what is true, then schools should only teach creation of life by God. Yet evolution has become so widespread that it would be best to make students familiar with the basis of both so they can make informed decisions. Unfortunately what usually occurs is that evolution is blatently taught as the fact of how life began (when much research actually disproves it), and if creation is mentioned at all, it is said to be a myth. When the facts are examined, a belief in evolution as the origin of life actually requires MORE faith than belief that a divine, intelligent God created it.”
“I do believe in God and I do believe in evolution. Neither science nor religion has absolutes, so, keeping an open mind about both seems to be the smarter thing to do.”
“I think all options should be considered and offered to children in school so they are allowed to make their own decisions.”
“I believe that God is the Creator of all living things as the Bible says in the book of Genesis. It is my strong belief that it is not possible for anything, especially things of such complexity like the human body to evolve over time. The only answer to the question of how the world was created is that there is a God, and creation is a testament of this truth.”
“God is amazing.”
“As theory evolution is shaky to say the least. There are a lot of holes and some of their hypothesis just are not logical. This is not to say that intelligent design does not take a leap of faith. On question # 2: if you believe in the Bible and not in the creation story then what else do you throw out. Once you start claiming part of the scripture is invalid where do you stop? Question # 5: when these are taught in schools they should be presented for what they are, theories, and nothing more than that. When you blur the line between fact and theory then you hit a lot of problems, like abiogenesis.”
“There's no real conflict between science and the Bible. We all have the same evidence. We observe the same facts. The difference is in the interpretation of the evidence. Those who believe Evolution, including most scientists, choose to assume that there is no God (or that He is irrelevant), and they try to interpret the evidence on that basis. Many scientists believe that the evidence makes better sense when interpretted according to a straight-forward reading of the Bible.”
“I also don't consider evolution to be a science, as it is based on as much speculation as intelligent design. science is based on controlled, repeated experimentation to prove theory; evolution is totally a speculation based on observation of the present and applying it inappropriately to the past, and therefore cannot be called science. I don't really think that either should be taught in schools, as neither are science as defined by the scientific model and so don't really have a place. assuming that "religion" is referring to christianity, I believe that modern biology and geology points to the idea of a creator and more specifically a biblical model for creation, so I believe that they agree.”
“Evolution can occur, but I believe that it did not to the extent to say that everything evolved from a single celled organism.”
"True science flies in the face of evolution. No time to get long winded here, but start with the 1st and 2nd Laws of Thermodynamics. Also, it is a scientific fact that the earth is creeping ever closer to the sun a tiny, measurable distance each year. If you reverse that rate, there is a point at which the earth would be too far from the sun and the extreme cold would be uninhabitable. Intelligent design is natural. We look at a watch or a complex engine or computer and know that something intelligent created it. Noone steps back and says, "wow, those parts just happened to manufacture themselves out of nowhere, fly together in perfect order, and make a complicated device. Yet people want to believe that our infinitely more complicated universe came about this way?"
If you're interested in extreme stupid I suggest click this link to see the rest of it: Survey Comments
“I am a junior biology major, and here is my thought: God and evolution do not inherently go against each other. We see evolution occurring everywhere, and it is well documented, but it is at the micro level, not the macro level. From my experience and education, I think that the vast complexity of even one cell would suggest a designer and God. However, Intelligent Design at the moment is not hard and fast science in the way that scientists describe science (experiments, reseach publishings in journals), so it might not have a place in the science classroom. But, the theory of macroevolution as hard and true fact does not have a place either. I think God gave us minds and reason to explore and investigate, and one of those applications is science, in order to discover God in a different way.”
This fucking asshole wrote "Darwin believed in God and worshiped Jesus." That's bullshit.
“Who so ever said that the bible (word for word) was absolute truth in every way? God didnt. The bible is compilled of differnet stories with different authors all the way through. Some of the stories are factual and some are just that...stories or summeries of a chain of events. Think about the people chosen to write these scriptures...how do you think they could describe evolution ..."God made man" what more do you need. Simple and to the point but doesnt mean that he couldnt have made other beings to form his perfect being that we are today. Oh and ps.....Darwin believed in God and worshiped Jesus. Read his book on evolution along with his personal memoirs and you will find out. He never discredited God, just took the formation of man to a scientific view that would make more sense in the scientific world.”
“God created everything. Period. No debate.”
“I wouldn't say religion and science agree with each other, but for the truly faithful they fit hand in hand.”
“A survey shouldn't have answers selected by default. Seems there ought to be a question on micro/macro evolution. Can't hardly answer #2 & #3 without defining evolution.”
“I a graduate, of Asia culture. I believe in Bible and the teachings in it.”
“I believe that God created evolution. It seems silly to think that God couldn't be behind something so beautifully complicated.”
“In regards to question #6, religion and science are tied together. I believe that there is an omnipotent god who got everything started, but then everything was allowed to evolve/become extinct at its own pace. Basically God said 'bang!' and it all began. Too bad some people cannot reconcile their faith with truth.”
“While I believe that evolution was guided by God, I do not believe that it is the school's place to teach that. Schools should be responsible for teaching evolution, which is backed by scientific evidence, and church should be responsible for teaching the rest.”
“I am a graduate student as well as a full-time employee of TCU. I couldn't answer some of the questions because there was another option I believed to be true, such as I know lots of scientists who are religious, so I would say religion and science can work together, but they don't always agree and don't always conflict. My answers to No. 2 and No. 3 appear to be contradictory, but I believe God created the world and everything in it, but I don't know exactly how He did it - I believe He could have done it in seven days exactly as the Bible reads, or He could have taken longer - a day for Him might not be a day for us, so it could have been an evolutionary process. Bottom line is: I believe God is all-powerful and behind all creation, however it occurred.”
“I believe all things started with creation, but it is possible evolution does exist in some creatures. I believe that humans are basically the same as when created.”
“It is a very interesting debate. I have tried to educate myself on both intelligent design and evolution. I do believe in evolution, but I think that it could possibly be guided. I have not really come to a clear cut decision for myself because I am constantly hearing evidence for both sides, and I have my own beliefs to content with. Maybe an higher power or God put the evolution proccess into place, or maybe evolution is just nature's way of shaping itself without anything or being helping it along? Even though I do not have a final belief or understanding yet, I do have an opinion.”
“Religion is about beliefs that cannont be proved. It's about having faith that there is something outside our understanding that cannot be explained by science. While I'm sure it is hard to teach Intelligent Design, I believe it would be good to point out that there are options besides evolution.”
“On question #5 about which one should be taught in schools, neither should be taught in schools. God did create humans as described in the Bible.”
“I think that evolution is the academic and true form of human development; however, every human needs something superior to believe in...so God (and its form of evolution) comes into play at a religious level, filling that need for a greater power, but evolution is the reasoning for human development.”
“I understand that the acutal thought process behind Evolution was that humans evolved but it still took a Creator. Even still, Evolution is not a fact. God said that things on earth are too complicated for the human mind and that our understanding will become clear when we get to heaven. There is no science out there that can prove evolution so I don't understand why that is what is taught in schools. This is one nation under GOD, not Darwin.”
“I believe that both intelligent design and evolution are a religion -- they must both be taken by faith. I also believe that intelligent design is much easier to believe than the idea that this incredibly complex and living universe "just happened" without a Master Mind behind it.”
“Intelligent design is more scientific than evolution, which requires more faith than any other scientific finding. Evolutionists are afraid of teaching anything alongside evolution because they know that parts of their "scientific" theory don't actually stand up to scrutiny.”
“As for what should be taught in schools, I think that any school's job is to educate its students, which would include making them aware of several different points of view about a discipline. Although a science class would probably choose to focus on the more measurable aspects of the debate surrounding our origins, if a school completely ignores the fact that there are different opinions about the issue, then the school is doing its students a disservice by not completely educating them.”
“I think both sides should be presented to young people in order to evoke free thinking and let them establish their own views with the knowledge of both sides.”
“This is a very interesting issue. I think that its important to teach both scientific views when there are conflicting views. If you limit the teaching to only one, then you are basically programming your youth to think one way instead of having their own opinions. Thats communism!”
“I believe in God and I believe the Bible; however I also beilieve that God may have used the creation story as a metaphoriacal narrative, and that it shouldn't be interpretated literally. I believe that God could have used evolution to create the world, if he wanted to. I also most certainly cannot believe that humans evolved purely by random occurance of genetic mutations and that there was no guiding power directing the process. This belief tells me that I was created by chance and therefore, what really is my purpose here? However by believing in evolution but by belieing that God guided the process, we are left knowing that we were created with a purpose.”
“I don't really think either should be taught in school as much as possible; both are a question of faith, not science. If there is no way around the subject in a lesson, the teacher should just say nobody knows for sure how it happened.”
“Great Questions. The ID-Evolution debate is interesting and important because it gets to the philosophy of science. Is evolution a scientific theory or the premise of philosophical materialism? If the latter, then it is non-empirical science because, a priori, it rules out all other interpretations. If we cannot discuss "design" in the classroom, then it will be discussed outside the classroom. I'm so glad our campus is discussing it.”
“Intelligent Design is not really the best answer to the creation vs. evolution problem. Creation science is. Check out www.icr.org for real scientific answers to the creation question. Intelligent Design is a cop-out choice.”
“Whatever happened, I know that God did it. And that's enough for me right now. Since God created the universe and everything in it, I can't believe that science and religion can contradict each other. I just don't know enough about it all right now to reconcile the differences, but I hope to learn more. Until then and even then, I will rely on faith that my Father knows what's going on, even though I don't.”
“I don't see how religion and science conflict. God is the creator of all that is, including science. I honestly don't think that my body, as complex and fascinating as it is, just formed from a primordial soup. My body - everyone's bodies - were intelligently designed.”
“I feel like both of these concepts should only be discussed in the school systems. I see nothing wrong with teaching both theories as long as they are taught as theory and not fact. Like it or not none of us really know how it all started. Education should be about providing information for students to make their own dicisions about. I feel this is a serious issue and I am strongly against teaching bible stories in school as fact and not theory which I feel is the aim of the individuals supporting intelligent design.”
“Many Christians believe that science and God cannot co-exist. I believe that in science one can plainly see God because he created it. I believe in some parts of evolutionary theory and other parts I have not come to a conclusion yet. I think it's admirable of the scientific community to seek out understanding of how things occured. God desires to reach the heart through the mind, and hopefully this will be accomplisehd in many intellects that have only head knowledge of "God" or "religion". What is of the utmost importance is that God made creation. It simply really doesn't matter how it happened! Romans 1.”
“There is sufficient scientific evidence to conclude that genetic traits evolve in a population and are passed from one generation to the next over time. This is science. However, the scientific evidence is insufficient to conclude that this process of evolution has altered any species to the extent of creating a new species. The notion that humans evolved from a single cell organism is not sufficiently supported with scientific evidence. Therefore we must choose to put our faith in our narrow understanding of science, or put our faith in intelligent design. I choose to put my faith in intelligent design.”
“If in discussing evolution we're talking about simple and minor change over time (after life began), that does of course occur. But in talking about the origin of life, it did not evolve but was divinely created. In relation to question 3, it is possible to believe in God and evolution, but it is not possible to have a TRUE understanding of God and the Bible and still believe in evolution. About question 5, if we want to teach what is true, then schools should only teach creation of life by God. Yet evolution has become so widespread that it would be best to make students familiar with the basis of both so they can make informed decisions. Unfortunately what usually occurs is that evolution is blatently taught as the fact of how life began (when much research actually disproves it), and if creation is mentioned at all, it is said to be a myth. When the facts are examined, a belief in evolution as the origin of life actually requires MORE faith than belief that a divine, intelligent God created it.”
“I do believe in God and I do believe in evolution. Neither science nor religion has absolutes, so, keeping an open mind about both seems to be the smarter thing to do.”
“I think all options should be considered and offered to children in school so they are allowed to make their own decisions.”
“I believe that God is the Creator of all living things as the Bible says in the book of Genesis. It is my strong belief that it is not possible for anything, especially things of such complexity like the human body to evolve over time. The only answer to the question of how the world was created is that there is a God, and creation is a testament of this truth.”
“God is amazing.”
“As theory evolution is shaky to say the least. There are a lot of holes and some of their hypothesis just are not logical. This is not to say that intelligent design does not take a leap of faith. On question # 2: if you believe in the Bible and not in the creation story then what else do you throw out. Once you start claiming part of the scripture is invalid where do you stop? Question # 5: when these are taught in schools they should be presented for what they are, theories, and nothing more than that. When you blur the line between fact and theory then you hit a lot of problems, like abiogenesis.”
“There's no real conflict between science and the Bible. We all have the same evidence. We observe the same facts. The difference is in the interpretation of the evidence. Those who believe Evolution, including most scientists, choose to assume that there is no God (or that He is irrelevant), and they try to interpret the evidence on that basis. Many scientists believe that the evidence makes better sense when interpretted according to a straight-forward reading of the Bible.”
“I also don't consider evolution to be a science, as it is based on as much speculation as intelligent design. science is based on controlled, repeated experimentation to prove theory; evolution is totally a speculation based on observation of the present and applying it inappropriately to the past, and therefore cannot be called science. I don't really think that either should be taught in schools, as neither are science as defined by the scientific model and so don't really have a place. assuming that "religion" is referring to christianity, I believe that modern biology and geology points to the idea of a creator and more specifically a biblical model for creation, so I believe that they agree.”
“Evolution can occur, but I believe that it did not to the extent to say that everything evolved from a single celled organism.”
"True science flies in the face of evolution. No time to get long winded here, but start with the 1st and 2nd Laws of Thermodynamics. Also, it is a scientific fact that the earth is creeping ever closer to the sun a tiny, measurable distance each year. If you reverse that rate, there is a point at which the earth would be too far from the sun and the extreme cold would be uninhabitable. Intelligent design is natural. We look at a watch or a complex engine or computer and know that something intelligent created it. Noone steps back and says, "wow, those parts just happened to manufacture themselves out of nowhere, fly together in perfect order, and make a complicated device. Yet people want to believe that our infinitely more complicated universe came about this way?"
If you're interested in extreme stupid I suggest click this link to see the rest of it: Survey Comments
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