22 answers for creationists from someone who understands evolution
At the recent Bill Nye/Ken Ham debate, Buzzfeed asked creationists in attendance to write a question or message for ‘the other side’. Here are some answers.
What has been will be again, what has been done will be done again. A disappointing public debate between popular US science telly presenter Bill Nye, and creationist zealot Ken Ham took place this week about whether creationism was a valid scientific position. Howls of anguish, cheers of victory and stifled yawns from supporters of both sides echoed round the internet. Hope for enlightenment was dashed though, as Ham trotted out the same old zombie canards, and Nye did his futile best to best them.
Alas there is nothing new under the sun. And nothing was gained from this exercise in vanity except for giving the cretinism of creationism a big stage. One commentator noted that Bill Nye lost the debate by agreeing to do it. If you wrestle with a pig, the pig likes it, and you get dirty. Or, as Richard Dawkins has said when asked to share a stage with various creationist brainwrongs, it looks better on your CV than mine. Or "never argue with an idiot: the best possible outcome is that you win an argument with an idiot."
In the dull afterglow of this less-than edifying evolutionary showdown, there’s been lots of grumbly analysis. But Matt Stopera at Buzzfeed won by asking 22 creationists to grin like monkeys and pose what they presumably thought was a zinger of a challenge to science. They’re amusing, baffling and pitiable in equal measure, and here are my answers.
1. Bill Nye, are you influencing the minds of children in a positive way?
Yes! What a guy.
2. Are you scared of a Divine Creator?
Not nearly as much as I am scared of the Japanese Giant Hornet, which is bigger than your thumb, can fly at 25mph and has the added advantage of actually existing.
3. Is it completely illogical that the Earth was created mature? ie trees created with rings … Adam created as an adult …
Completely. You don’t sound convinced, my bearded friend.
4. Does not the second law of thermodynamics disprove evolution?
Yes it does not. I mean, it doesn’t. Your weird grammar is bewitching. But your grasp of physics is not. The Second Law of Thermodynamics roughly states that energy can only flow from a hot body to a cold one in a closed system, and that the measure of this is called entropy, which only ever increases. You’re parroting the argument that a living cell appears to contradict this, by maintaining order in their cellular innards. Alas living things are not closed systems. You’re using one thing you don’t understand to explain another. Your problem here is really with physics. Can you take it up with those guys please? Shoo.
5. How do you explain a sunset if their is no God?
Really? Not even creationists argue that the Earth’s rotation on its own axis disproves evolution. Christ alive, to be excluded from that club for being a bit dim is harsh. Oh and: THERE.
6. If the Big Bang Theory is true and taught as science along with evolution, why do the laws of thermodynamics debunk said theories?
See 4. That’s only 21 really, Mr iPhone Extra-from-the-Professionals
7. What about noetics?
Eh? Are you in the wrong list? What about cheese? Or pottery? Or tiny tiny bats?
8. Where do you derive objective meaning in life?
Where? Can you remember when you last had it? I think it’s in the glove compartment.
9. If God did not create everything, how did the first single-celled organism originate? By chance?
Aah, now we’re talking. The best-fit theory currently is in white smoker hydrothermal vents around four billion years ago, where an energetic disequilibrium provided by proton gradients swirled in and out of porous serpentenised olivine submarine rock. More details in Creation, by me, out now! Thanks for asking!
10. I believe in the Big Bang Theory … God said it and BANG it happened!
Interesting theology. This is broadly called Deism, a view that the universe, obeying natural laws is an expression of a sort of absent landlord Creator, who set up the rules, and then hasn’t really shown up for about 13.82 billion years. It’s noteworthy that given the popularity of fundamentalist Christian views currently, some of the US Founding Fathers were Deists – oh wait this isn’t what you meant is it?
11. Why do evolutionists/secularists/humanists/non-God believing people reject the idea of there being a creator God but embrace the concept of intelligent design from aliens or other extraterrestrial sources?
They don’t. I mean, we don’t. Decent evolutionary biologists support neither intelligent design nor panspermia.
12. There is no inbetween … the only one found has been Lucy and there are only a few pieces of the hundreds neccessary for an “official proof”.
I’ll help you out here. I presume you are talking about transitional fossils, and Lucy, the 40% complete specimen of Australopithecus afarensis. There are literally thousands of transitional fossils – ones that show features in common with distinct later species. I like Tiktaalik the best, an ugly brute with some fishy gills, land-lubbing lungs, and some bits that were in between (a wrist joint connecting to fins).
13. Does metamorphosis help support evolution?
Yes, well spotted. The post-birth transformation of a tadpole into a frog is a means of eliminating competition between young and mature as they’re in completely different ecological niches. Clever eh?
14. If evolution is a theory (like creationism or the bible) why then is evolution taught as fact?
Do all you guys have beards? Evolution is a fact: species change over time. Even Ken Ham acknowledges this. Evolution by Natural Selection is a theory in the scientific sense, meaning a set of testable, predictive structures and ideas that explain the observed facts. It’s not the same usage as in my theory that all you guys have beards because you’re hiding something you’re ashamed of.
15. Because science by definition is a “theory” – not testable, observable, nor repeatable, why do you object to creationism or intelligent design being taught in school?
Wait, what? Science isn’t a theory. Who said that? Science is a way of knowing stuff. You’re not even trying.
16. What mechanism has science discovered that evidences an increase of genetic information seen in any genetic mutation or evolutionary process?
Oh I don’t know, genome duplication? Mutations that add or change function? Increased genetic diversity in a population? There are loads if you can be bothered to look.
17. What purpose do you think you are here for if you do not believe in salvation?
To have a good time. All the time.
18. Why have we found only 1 “Lucy”, when we have found more than 1 of everything else?
Here, let me Google that for you, unusually shaven man. Wikipedia lists at least nine Autralopithecus afarensis specimens. Seek and ye shall find. Someone said that, can't remember who.
19. Can you believe in “the big bang” without “faith”?
I don’t have to believe in the Big Bang, my reassuringly bearded friend. The evidence for it is overwhelming. Scientists have to keep trying to find ways to show it’s wrong. And no one has yet.
20. How can you look at the world and not believe someone created/thought of it? It’s amazing!!!
It is amazing! And even more so when discovering how it works and how it came to be, rather than simply repeating a modern misreading of a 2,000-year-old book written by Palestinian goatherds.
21. Relating to the big bang theory … Where did the exploding star come from?
A Supernova? What’s that got to do with evolution? In other random questions: Did you know the name ‘Supernova’ was coined by astronomer Fritz Zwicky? His contribution to neologisms is more impressive, as he also invented the term "spherical bastard" for people who were bastards from any direction.
22. If we come from monkeys then why are there still monkeys?
YES, BINGO! Creationist house! Even your arch-doofus gouda-brained leaders tell you that this not-even-wrong mouthfart shouldn’t be used in arguments. You know how people say "there are no stupid questions, only stupid answers"? Wrong again, dur-brain!
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